Marcel: Aren’t you just one of those hippies predicting the end of the world?
Paul Gilding: I think the big difference now, compared to let’s say fifty years ago, when people starting arguing this idea, is that then they were forecasting what the future would be like. Now we are measuring what the present is like. So the difference is that when I say now that if we don’t change things will go wrong: we are now at the stage that things are going wrong. Where the world is warming, the Arctic is melting, food supplies are at the edge of their capacity. And now things are in very different context. But I say, well you know, it is one of those unusual situations where you hope you’re wrong. I would love to be wrong. But I think the evidence is that I am right.